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Legendary US pollster Frank Lutz joins Christopher Hope to try to bring nuance to the culture wars debate. He tells listeners why he admires man of the moment, Gareth Southgate and claims America is a harbinger of what's to come if Britain let's "woke" take over.
Also on the podcast: MP for Guildford Angela Richardson makes her case for an A3 tunnel under Guildford and why it signifies the importance of not robbing the Tory heartlands to pay for the Red Wall.
Plus Stephen Kinnock, chair of the latest Labour pressure group, Renaissance, on the importance of reconnecting with rural voters, and soft patriotism.

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